I think Kelly Whatsherface who thinks that female comics creators should just “get by on talent” and that “modern feminism” is so awful definitely fits on this chart.
Feminism continues to fail trans women again and again, so why don’t we take the above suggestion and use it instead of pretending that cis feminists seem to want to sweep their own abusive history under the rug?
You want to know who has agreed with TERFs publicly? Gloria Steinem. When feminism can answer for that, when they make space for trans women in everything they do and every resource they provide? Then we can dismiss claims of transmisogyny. Until then, this chart will continue to invalidate the concerns of trans women and thus perpetuate transmisogyny in feminism.
friends let’s talk about a little thing called transmisogyny. This brand of it we are looking at is covered in “biological essentialism”, which tells us that certain body parts define certain aspects of identity. this is actually NOT TRUE. Adding a penis to a female dentist, architect or lawyer does not actually raise the amount of money a person makes because despite what transmisogynistic feminists want you to believe, the penis is not the source of power. I’ll repeat that: penises are not a source of power. Having a dick does not magically give you male privilege.
There are women with penises. There are women with penises. There are women with penises. And they are actually less likely to hold jobs that make a significant amount of money, because they are less likely to be hired. Because they experience both misogyny and transmisogyny.
Also, while we are on the topic of intersectionalism, are we talking starting salaries for white women only? Averages of women across the board? Because white women make a significant amount more money than women of color, particularly Black and Hispanic women.
Intersectionality matters. Your feminism fails unless it includes ALL women, including those who have penises.
I do too but the second he acts like he owns me or I’m less than him. Then it’s game on.
So far of the commentary I’ve seen added to this picture this is my favorite. I enjoy the ideas of traditional gender roles as long as it’s not to an extreme. I would love to be a stay at home mom, cooking, baking, and cleaning, taking care of my son, and having everything nice and ready for when my husband comes home from work. It would just need to be acknowledged that, yeah I was home all day, but I was busy, and it wasn’t easy, and I would like respect and appreciation for my efforts. That I am choosing to do. Because yeah, it’s awesome that today that’s not a women’s only option, because it’s not for every women, and they feel more fulfilled being in a workplace with a successful career, and good for them.
Though if it makes me happy to choose to be a SAHM, and cater to my husband, and families needs first I want respect for that, because it’s not my only option, it’s my choice. I could easy get a job, and pay for daycare, but I would rather it be me who takes care of my son. I could easily hire a house keeper to come in every once in a while because I’m working and I need an extra hand cleaning, but I would rather be home and do it all myself.
So despite all the arguing that has gone on because of this imagine.
There is no shame in wanting a lifestyle that reinforces traditional gender roles.
There is no shame in wanting a lifestyle that is more modern and progressive.
The only shame is when you shame another person for choosing to live their life in a way that suits their personal preferences.
In these situations I like to quote Family Guy:
Gloria: Well I’m sorry you’re so hostile towards someone’s who’s fighting so a woman like you can become more than just a housewife.
Lois: …just a housewife? Look. I’m all for equality but if you ask me, feminism is about choice. I choose to be a wife and mother and now I’m choosing to end this conversation.
Yep. Feminism isn’t about keeping women out of the kitchen. It’s about us having the choice to be in there if we want, and for everyone else to be able to go in as well if that’s what they want.
we should also note that the “traditional gender role” presented is really only available to women in certain contexts ie women who can afford to be that stay-at-home mom. sometimes “breaking traditional gender roles” has absolutely nothing to do with fighting the patriarchy and absolutely everything to do with keeping your family alive and fed
wow oops except feminism repeatedly asserts certain issues as “women’s issues”; that mainstream feminists almost never go out of their way to include trans women’s experiences and struggles in things feminism deals with; that like it or not, the people who actively work against trans women include big names within the feminist movement.
there are legitimate criticisms of feminism; its transphobia is actually a legitimate criticism of feminism, and one I will continue to make until feminists everywhere work to correct themselves and their movement as a whole. The fact that this list has transphobia speaks deeply to the continued failure of feminists to take the concerns of trans folk seriously.
(I will however take this list as evidence that perhaps those who compiled it actually acknowledge other legitimate criticisms having to do with race, class, and ability, which is a step in the right direction.)
I don’t think you’re gonna get any funds for this but good luck
this is the wrong website, I’m sorry OP I know you’re probably gonna get hate mail for this.
Sad but true.
I’m a bit more optimistic. I hope it gets the funding, this is definitely something that needs research.
What these comments tell me is that Tumblr is full of people who think that these facts are second rate because they are about men. Let that sink in.
Hell don’t send hate to the OP, send it to me because if you’re the type of person that totally disregards these statements then I highly doubt you have a very good argument outside of OH WELL PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT ME HAVE IT WORSE.
It is very worth mentioning that the person who started this project is a woman and, before this film, created a film called “Miss Representation” about how media contributes to the under-representation of women.
i’m just glad someone is willing to talk about this being an issue at all.
because honestly, i can tell you i had a hell of a fucking time growing up under the constant pressure and strain living up to the image of what a man should be, and really it was a pressure put upon me by other men almost exclusively.
if people of your own gender telling you that you’re wrong and that they’re willing and ready to invalidate you because of that isn’t considered fucked up, then i don’t know what is.
It saddens and annoys me that most of Tumblr is going to be so quick to shrug this off because of its idiotic obsession with demonizing men
This, too, is feminism. This is feminism, because what we’re talking about here is how the unrealistic image of men that’s part of that same system that oppresses women is hurting men, too.
This is about how boys aren’t supposed to go into the arts because that’s ~girly~. This is about how boys flunk out of school because being smart isn’t ~masculine~. This is about how men aren’t allowed to like pink, or princesses, because feminine things are “wrong.” Because being like a woman is “wrong.”
This is an issue that also severely affects both transwomen and transmen, because neither can fit that unrealistic expectation of masculinity. This affects us genderqueer folk too, because we’re expected to fit in one box or the other.
So… yes, this IS a good project, and any fuckwitted SJW who gets hissy because ~oh noez men~ is doin it wrong.
What I think is telling is that, after going through almost 2000 of the notes on this post so far, less than 1% of the comments are unsupportive to men.
I find it telling that people have made generalizations “Sorry, but Tumblr is Full of Women who Hate Men and Won’t Support You” and yet… I’m not seeing any proof of that here.
Just seeing a lot of people, gender unknown, writing off women before they’ve even said a word.
And in fact, most of the commentary on this post (aside from statements like the above ‘this won’t work because tumblr hates men’ generalizations) has been: “Yes, this is important, the patriarchy hurts everyone, feminism is for everyone, this is also what we (feminists) are fighting for.”
And oh, in 6 days this project is already at half it’s goal, $40 000 of the $80 000 needed.
This is the right website. Feminists have been speaking about this subject for years. The woman making this film is a feminist.
Yes, tumblr is full of feminists, but a lot of feminists are sympathetic to other people the patriarchy hurts, like men and trans people. TBH with the way this Kickstarter is worded, it seems like it’s meant to just be a documentary about social influences that create the patriarchy from the male end of things, meant to show how that culture hurts everybody. The fact they mention race, class, and circumstance shows they’re also trying for some intersectionality.
We NEED things like this, people willing to examine all the ways harmful social structures hurt different groups in society in different ways and educate people about them. This project would be terrible if it was blaming feminism for everything, but it looks like they’re hitting the mark with where they’re pinning the blame. If people have a lot of good resources like this about how these societal expectations and social influences hurt men, women, and everyone in between, people might start sitting up and trying harder to eradicate them for the good of everyone.
Because to get men interested in feminism, you have to center it around men.
a lot of beautiful baby feminists were born yesterday and today
but the trouble with baby feminists is that they’re not very well educated yet
so please do not shout at the baby feminists because they are new and have just been born, only meanies shout at babies
welcome the beautiful new born babies
but also teach them
here’s the first rule
- good feminism is intersectional, that means when you’re a feminist you don’t only stand up for the rights of white straight cis women, you stand up for the rights of queer, trans*, and people of colour.
there are many more you will learn as you grow and develop
happy smashing the patriarchy sweet feminist babies
Welcome, baby feminists.
also disabled women
and keeping in mind that not everyone has the same levels of access to things that you do
also vaginas do not equal women
Susan B. Anthony, badass.
Lest we forget Susan B. Anthony sought voting rights for women because she was offended that black men were allowed to vote and she wasn’t, even though, as she said, their brains weren’t capable of understanding politics. Susan B. Anthony, racist.
White privilege is Susan B. Anthony being an American hero. White privilege not understand why black folks should be skeptical of mainstream feminism when this white supremacist is one of the most seminal figures in the feminist movements.
good note about how we frame history as often being from a white lens, not just a male lens.
[serious trigger warning: very cissexist and transmisogynistic language]
In Gloria Steinem’s Outrageous Acts and Everyday Rebellions (1995),there’s a brief five page essay on trans identities (224-228). It’s basically terrible. Let me quote a few parts:
Was it fair for women to face someone trained physically and culturally for forty years as a man? (226)
She argues that it’s a kind of “mutilation” and appeal to a gender binary:
In other words, transsexuals are paying an extreme tribute to the power of sex roles. In order to set their real human personalities free, they surgically mutilate their own bodies… (227)
She even goes as far as to suggest that valuable resources are being wasted on trans folk, in this weird, backwards way as if we are poor little victims:
Instead of serving more lifesaving but often less lucrative needs for their surgical and hormone-therapy skills, some physicians are aiding individuals who are desperately trying to conform to an unjust society. It’s a small group of successful physicians she [Janice Raymond] names ‘the transsexual empire’.
She cites Janice Raymond’sThe Transsexual Empire (1979) several times in this essay.
She has apparently denied this charge of cissexism before, as recently as 2008, but it’s right here in this book, without apology, and it is still getting printed and published today.
Just a warning for people who think the 3rd wave has gotten better…some of those (very powerful) people are still around today saying the same ol’ bullshit.
I’m going to repeat the date: This was from 1995.
This was not from the ’70s.
And a lot of feminists don’t care that Steinem absolutely hated trans women and wanted to morally mandate us out of existence and instead still think her and organizations that affiliate with her are OK, even if they claim to be on our side.
but SHE’S a REAL feminist. right.